MyDD :: The End of the World is Nigh

The End of the World is Nigh

by duende, Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:09:21 PM EST

Yes you read it here LAST.

This could be my last ever diary. According to ~~the BBC~~ dysfunctional liberal blogs, the ~~activation of the Large Hadron Collider~~ release of some tracking polls will cause ~~strangelets and micro black holes~~ a small bounce for McCain, thereby assuring the ~~known Universe shall collapse in a big credit crunch~~ Obama will lose the election as we ~~Jerome Armstrong~~ always said he would

You have been warned. Goodbye Cruel World.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magaz ine/7600966.stm

Seriously. Those of us who have supported Obama for over a year maybe have a different perspective. We remember being down by double digits. We remember the media saying he couldn't close to the deal. While everyone seems to be obsessed by every detrimental comment about McCain or Palin being construed as anti patriotic or sexist, we also remember being dissed for equally chauvinist reasons. But the difference is. We don't hold resentments, because resentments and bad faith don't win elections. Fortitude, consistency and honesty do.

Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain, Polls, Bounces, Bad Faith (all tags)

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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 22)

Tips for fortitude

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:17:12 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 5)

...and a good laugh.

by mady on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:13:43 PM EST
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What?! No mass expatriation plans? (2.00 / 2)

oh! the humanity!

Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

by GRO on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:31:11 PM EST
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Nooooooooo!!!!!! (2.00 / 5)

MENDOZA! THIS WASN'T PART OF THE DEAL!

Er, yeah. Enough with the doom & gloom stuff. We're doing alright.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:40:27 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 7)

It's amazing how many progressives fail to understand that to win this fight, we have to fight to win. It's a shame that at this completely predictable juncture, we need Coach Biden to tell us to "get up." SO they his a home run. Let's get up there and swing the freaking bats. Why don't these people believe that this is an argument we are in a position to win.

Their policies have proven disastrous.

Their rhetoric is wearing thin.

We have talent, ideas, and resources.

And now we have to seize the opportunity to press OUR advantages.

Time to start playing OUR game. Enough with the defense.

The future is unwritten

by Strummerson on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:44:24 PM EST

So long, thanks for all the fish. (2.00 / 4)

It was fun while it lasted.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:00:43 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 6)

Brit, right on!. Us long time Obama supporters have been here before and know that Obama always has everything under control. He didn't win the Nom because of blind luck. He went out and fought a brilliant ground game. It's what he's doing now. Newbies are just getting all nervous because they keep looking on what's going on Nationally instead of looking at what's going on in each state.

by venician on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:02:56 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 7)

You too Venician. Remember April? Now that WAS tough. And as for LAST october...

What I don't get is the sudden suspension of all critical faculties when it comes to the republicans. Sure, Palin is a new face - a little bounce of interest there. But c'mon. The electorate isn't as stupid as some people here assume it is. When they get in the voting booth, do you think a few celebrity shots and David Brooks' endorsements will matter a toss?

No, McCain has shot the only bolt he had against Obama - experience. It will be close - nobody said it wouldn't be. But I have a naive faith in the American people: when it comes to elections, they like to elect leaders - and whatever the razzmazztazz of identity politics, it works on the margin only. Too many people have been screwed by these republican games before. They won't forget come November

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:28:26 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 4)

National polls are meaningless. Especially at this stage. Yet I feel down because Obama is not galluping ahead right now. How silly. The republicans are trying to turn the election of the most powerful world leader into a soap opera.

But after Obama's Philadelphia adress I've promised to myself that whenever I feel down about this election I must remember that Obama is good. He is good. This is not a remake of 2000 or 2004. He will make it.

by french imp on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:12:38 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 4)

Oh, and Duende is good too!

by french imp on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:15:42 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 6)

No shit, what's with all the defeatist bullshit here lately? The enthusiasm around here is as effective as a mosh pit at a Dolly Parton concert.

I'm tired of it. Maybe my sarcasm will get me banned, at long last. Oh well, sockpuppets run amok anyway.

Rec'd.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:05:59 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 3)

It's nice to see your perspective and I'm encouraged by your spirit. I fear I'm loisng faith in the country, though, and have been for years.
The recent polling jand the attitude of the national media just reinfroces that loss of faith.

by spirowasright on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:32:41 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 6)

I felt that way after Bush won in 2000, and again in 2004. I remember thinking, "how can this even be close?" I let those feelings drag me down, dampen my enthusiasm.

Not this year. Fuck it, I'm throwing my gas can into the fire. I will not stop donating, registering voters, canvassing, and phonebanking.

My efforts get get Obama/Biden into the Whitehouse will not ebb. If we lose this time, I'll be going full throttle when we do.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:30:45 PM EST
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Fogive, that's a good sentiment. (2.00 / 2)

But we don't need to indulge in these "If we lose this time..." conditional statements at this point, even to make a point about fighting. I'm not the kind of optimist that doesn't consider or won't hear bad news, but to even speculate that way is really jumping the gun. It's September 8.

by Dumbo on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:54:52 PM EST
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Re: Fogive, that's a good sentiment. (2.00 / 2)

I agree actually. I don't intend to indulge in defeatist sentiment, but a shitload of folks here already are. It's still early, and all this "sky is falling bullshit" chafes.

My point is (and was) that we haven't lost a damned thing. Full steam ahead. I'm not blind to adversity, or opposed to course correction.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:05:27 PM EST
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Re: Fogive, that's a good sentiment. (2.00 / 1)

When it comes to defeatism, all I'll say is, always consider the sources.

GOP=9/11TM

by ObamaBiden on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 01:23:54 AM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 4)

Rec'd

Are we becoming the morans we once ridiculed?

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:14:21 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 3)

To the uneducated an A is just three sticks.

-Eeyore

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:23:39 PM EST
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It is sometimes good to be slightly behind. It (2.00 / 5)

prevents complacency from setting in and gives a good kick on our asses to do more. It is good to be on our toes, get our ground game ready, strengthen our weaker sections, and peak at the right time during the November GE. Right it is too early and the changes in the polls are in the noise level. People are talking to pollsters based on who they saw and liked on TV last week or yesterday. I'll start to get concerned, if McCain is regularly posting above 50% well into 3-4th week of October and the EV poll shows he is maintaining 270+ regularly.

by louisprandtl on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:26:54 PM EST

Re: It is sometimes good to be slightly behind. It (2.00 / 4)

Completely agree. New faces on TV - cool. Then imagine Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from leadership of the freeworld. I trust Americans with this decision - and as with Bush, fake people get finally found out. The Republicans aren't smart. They're just endlessly cynical. And people remember what that bought last time

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:31:15 PM EST
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Re: It is sometimes good to be slightly behind. It (2.00 / 1)

I'm actually amazed at how many total numbnuts are buying into the McCain Palin candidacy. I seriously thought when he named her that would be the end of his chances of winning. Boy was that wrong. All I see are McCain yard signs and bumper stickers,and yesterday I saw my first anti Obama sitcker on a truck, it read "A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a Chicken voting for Col Sanders" Well, we all know the racist dogwhistle there, don't we?

We all know that folks were dumb enough to elect (or nearly elect) Bush the last two election cycles. Are they going to be that dumb again?

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:38:04 PM EST
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So the real question is: Do we this time around (2.00 / 1)

have a wiser American electorate?

In a democracy, voters deserve the leaders they get.

Obama already is doing his part by running a historic campaign, HRC did her part by running a great campaign in the primary against Obama, we the electorate ought to do our part to get Obama elected.

by louisprandtl on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:45:57 PM EST
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Re: It is sometimes good to be slightly behind. It (2.00 / 0)

That's interesting. I live in a red country (turning blue!) next to a pretty blue city (Williamson County, TX, which is right next to Austin). So far I've seen two McCain yard signs, zero bumper stickers. Basically, nothing.

On the other hand, I've seen literally hundreds of Obama bumper stickers and a good 50 or so yard signs.

Some of this may be that the Obama supporters are enthusiastic and the McCain supporters aren't. Maybe it'll start changing now that Palin's around.

Around here, though, it looks like Texas is a bit more in play that one would otherwise think. For my money, it's going to come down to Hispanic voters. If the massive support that went to Hillary swings to Obama, that 7% number is going to start looking very shaky, very fast. If it splits enough that McCain gets even 25%, the state's staying red.

Things around here, at least, look like Palin's kicked the anthill of the Republican base and they're all swarming around like mad. Moderates, on the other hand, are looking at the swarming mass and wondering if they really want to get involved with it.

No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!

by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:52:58 PM EST
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Re: It is sometimes good to be slightly behind. It (2.00 / 1)

I don't The people elected Bush twice, didn't they?
Sorry to be so depressing, but it might be wiser to focus on McCain and hot be so worried about whats-her-name.
But after eight years of Bush and teh superficial attitude of the Utterly Stupid and Addled twords politics, I'm not betting on that.

by spirowasright on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:38:49 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 3)

I was worried that this would happen. Ani remarked on Friday that people at her work said that McCain's speech was a real tear jerker. That in combination with the enthusiasm generated by Palin's speech, IMHO, has jump started McCain's campaign. The MSM are hysterical about the USA Today/Gallup poll and are not really talking about the other polls Jonathan mentions. All of this twittering may even generate another mini bounce or at least sustain the tie. I do not think this will last any longer than a nasty fart in the wind, but our side is going to have have to get some big fracking fans out, because the stench is nauseating.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:32:30 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 1)

We have been living with that smell for eight years though. People need to relearn what clean air tastes like.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:44:45 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 2)

Our Superconducting Collider would have been built and work a long time ago if the repukes had not shut-down the funding. Just more anti-science BS.

by zerosumgame on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:33:21 PM EST

Sorry, man.... (2.00 / 1)

...but, yeah, Obama has a very good--but not great--chance of pulling this out.

And, it's precisely smug, glib diaries like this that have no place in the dialogue right now.

Plouffe's work is spectacular.

Our candidate is the best orator and the most charismatic in our party since at least Kennedy...perhaps even better than Kennedy.

But, the Rethugs have somehow managed to energize the neo-theo-con base, somewhat belatedly, but they have done so, nonetheless, thereby negating at least some of our edge on the ground, but certainly nowhere near all of it.

That being said, our candidate has bad better weeks, even if you were to ignore the post-convention bounce.

So, where does that leave us? With a mediocre--and I'm being kind--air game led by a self-anointed expert at national media...when, in fact Emperor Axelrod has now clothes.

Nationally, the guy's had 10 minutes' experience running Simon's campaign for president in 2000; and all of one state, Iowa, doing the same for Edwards' lame effort in 2004.

Sorry, folks, but 2008 was not the year when I wanted my Party's candidate's media advisor taking his cues from that new bestseller: "National Political Media for Dummies." But, that appears to be the case, at least at the moment.

Our air game is underwhelming, and the Rethugs are exploiting it to the max.

Meanwhile, by all rights and reasons, if you happen to read the paper, we should be kicking their ass. Instead, as I write this, it's the other way around.

Again, sorry guys, but smug, glib diaries like this do us no good at a time like this.

Can we still pull it off, as is. Perhaps. But, there's too much at stake for "perhaps."

by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:37:18 PM EST

Re: Sorry, man.... (2.00 / 2)

Hard smug or glib, Bob. And while I hear what you say about Axelrod and Plouffe, I also heard what you said a mere ten days ago after Obama's speech: were you smug or glib then when you said he was really taking the attack to McCain?

It's all noise - and there's nothing smug or glib about keeping a firm spirit when all around you are losing theirs

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:40:20 PM EST
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I'm more fired-up than ever! (none / 0)

And, I hope that this makes folks work all that much harder now for Obama, too!

That being said, Axelrod's work leaves much to be desired. He is not performing as the same level as Plouffe and the candidate, himself.

Thank god we've got an awesome candidate and a brilliant campaign manager!

But, don't kid yourself duende, the Primary was beanbag compared to what's in store over the next 50-some-odd days.

Count on that.

by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:16:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm more fired-up than ever! (2.00 / 2)

I kid no-one, let alone myself. But look at the post convention bounce Bush got in 2000 and 2004. It makes McCain's pal(e)in to insignificance. I'm just knocking the chicken little's - that's a lot way away from complacency.

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:29:06 PM EST
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On the plus side... (2.00 / 1)

Obama is down to 55 on Intrade, while McSame is up to 45. I'm buying more Obama contracts! Double your money in 50 days!

by Mystylplx on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:38:16 PM EST

Re: On the plus side... (none / 0)

55-45 on Intrade?
It was 51-49 this morning, so things might be getting a little better.

by spirowasright on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:17:22 PM EST
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Re: On the plus side... (none / 0)

53-46 right now. Looks like very heavy volume too...

by Mystylplx on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:56:36 PM EST
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That's what I get for typing while... (2.00 / 1)

...listening to someone talking on the phone.

I was never very good at multi-tasking. Sorry 'bout the typos...

by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:39:56 PM EST

Re: That's what I get for typing while... (2.00 / 3)

It's not the typos that bother me, it's the smug glibness.

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:41:21 PM EST
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Smug glibness? (2.00 / 2)

Smibness?

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:06:27 PM EST
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LOL! n/t (2.00 / 0)

by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:45:27 PM EST

Re: LOL! n/t (2.00 / 2)

Shame the laughter didn't come out as a response to my riposte - which I hope it was. Kudos to you Bob for taking what you dish out - Brit

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:49:48 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 1)

You are Brit? I can never get anyone figured out with all of the names. Anyway, good to see ya and thanks for the laugh. Rec'd. Oh and check out BNI, Space is having an awful time right now. Give him some love.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:19:03 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (none / 0)

Duende is my enforced samizdhat identity from the Primary wars. But what's BNI?

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:25:35 PM EST
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Jonra (2.00 / 1)

spacey's brother has been hurt. He's on his way to PR.

Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics

by chrisblask on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:33:02 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, I think I might have misstaken you for someone else. I hope I did not break a confidence, but I know a lot of people around here really care about The Spaceman.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:02:57 PM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (none / 0)

Thanks Hollede. You've got the right person. I just took a while to work out what BN1 was. I can't log on from here but will later today. Send spacey my best

by duende on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 01:15:42 AM EST
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Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 0)

Brit! Oh good it is you, now I know your secret identity ;~) BNI is my secret way of referring to the thing we dare not mention.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 01:52:17 AM EST
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Fuck. (2.00 / 1)

wishing spacey best. May have to donut some trolls for him.

Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics

by chrisblask on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:32:29 PM EST
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Re: Fuck. (2.00 / 1)

That's very sad news. Really hope it's nothing serious. Keep me posted

by duende on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:36:21 PM EST
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I really don't want to know (2.00 / 3)

what a Large Hardon Collider does. But having said that, let me point something out.

The Republicans have lived with bad poll numbers for all of this year, and most of last year, as well, before we even had a candidate. They got their first really promising poll yesterday, THE DAY AFTER THE RNC CONVENTION.

Now is this a smug, glib way of saying we don't have to worry? No. But it is to say that there is no discipline to panic. Especially panic (and that's the best way to describe it) at the first sign of trouble. We have had it pretty good for so long that some of us have got soft. Some people actually got the idea that this was going to be such a "cakewalk" (hat tip to Ken Adelman) that the prospect of an actual fight would mean we were losing.

I posted at least three or four times last month (and the month before as well) that with so many trolls predicting certain doom when we were ahead in the polls, we could expect a real disharmonic convergence the day after the RNC convention when McCain got a bounce and came out ahead in a poll for the first time. And... voila, we are there!

by Dumbo on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:41:48 PM EST

sigh. (2.00 / 2)

I wish I knew what the hell people expected here. McCain didn't earn his party's nomination on his good looks. And the GOP wasn't going to shrug their shoulders and put out a statement "oh well. I gues you guys are running the country now. sigh."

Yeah, um, they're fighting. McCain is a fighter. He wants to win really really bad.

If I read one more comment that says something to the effect of "your candidate sucks because after 8 years of Bush any Democrat should be up by 20 by now" I swear my head will explode.

Look. Republicans have been hating on Democrats, ANY DEMOCRAT since there have BEEN Democrats to hate. they'd be fighting this hard and this dirty no matter who we nominated.

People. It's not about the battles it's about the war.

Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

by GRO on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:20:39 PM EST

But...but... (2.00 / 0)

the official General Election campaign has been going on for...hmm let's see 4 x 1, carry the 2...that comes to...4 whole days! And we haven't won yet! We're doomed!

P.S. Hi Brit. Loved the diary.

That One is the Right One for 2008.

by GFORD on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:42:09 PM EST

salvation is possible (2.00 / 1)

Donate to Obama.

Donate to DNC.

Make calls.

Remind everyone you know, Palin is more of the same.

Virginia is for Lovers

by Dickie Simpkins on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:53:37 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDP I0

GBCW! (not snark)

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:05:18 AM EST

Sliders..... (2.00 / 0)

Hey, I fired up my Acme Worm-Hole Generator, and did some quantum reality time line hopping and here's some interesting statistics.

In 52.625% of the worlds where Hillary Clinton got the Democratic nod, she is slightlybehind in the polls or tied with McCain/Ridge after the RNC convention which featured a non-stop military them with the two war vets on the ticket.

Her choice of Evan Bayh for VP went over like a thud, many of the angry primaries supporters wanted Barrack Obama, who pulled out after Super Tuesday when it was clear Senator Clinton had an insurmountable lead.

Senator Obama had been devastated when the Rev Wright tapes were featured on a 60 Minute Episode 2 weeks after the South Carolina primary.

However, in 31% of the alternate realities, where Obama did win the primary, and he picked Senator Clinton as VP, a large backlash from independent voters, along with the choice of Ridge has the race again a dead tie.

In .0009% of the realities, a joint ticket of Mike Gravel and Ralph Nader is slightly ahead of the joint ticket of Ron Paul/Bob Barr.

I was thinking of staying in that world, but it turns out in that time-line, John Lennon and Paul McCartney had taken an intense disliking to each other, and in the history of pop music was dictated by the solo careers of Yoko Ono and by Cher, who never hooked up with Sonny to begin with.....

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:35:22 PM EST

Re: The End of the World is Nigh (2.00 / 0)

It's the end of the world as we know it... and I feel fine.

by futbol dad on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:47:29 PM EST

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